demons lol and they JW's are not superstitious.
Joey Jo-Jo
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VERY depressed
by youngbro ini have severe clinical depression and right now, for whatever reason it is really acting up....
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Atheist Fascism
by Band on the Run init is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
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Nobody can read ancient arabic therefore muslims have to rely on the teachings of old scholars about the translation of the book.
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Atheist Fascism
by Band on the Run init is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
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Vanderhoven7 : Godrulz would post something calling people ignorant, at least to me because he didn't agree with different views.
undercover: I dont mind preaching, what I do mind are people who preach and dont elaborate and can't discusse things properly
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A simple way to tell God probably doesn't exist
by poor places inwhen's the last time you prayed to god?
did he respond?
i prayed to him for years and years and received no response.
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but the bible also says that god does not answer prayers.
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God blamed satan?
by Joey Jo-Jo inex-15:3 the lord is a man of war: the lord is his name.
nasb.
ex-32:14 then the lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
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that book should be interesting, i would like to know how it justifies gods killing of jobs family just to prove satan up in heaven wrong, i dont know if your aware ofsome scholars prefer translation into its literal sense the adversary in the book of job
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God blamed satan?
by Joey Jo-Jo inex-15:3 the lord is a man of war: the lord is his name.
nasb.
ex-32:14 then the lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
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PS: I read a lot of books and found some really interesting finds but lack evidence, ill try and stick with what makes most sense.
In John 18:2-9
2 Now Judas, who betrayed him, knew the place, because Jesus had often met there with his disciples. 3 So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons. 4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?” 5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground. 7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?” “Jesus of Nazareth,” they said. 8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he. If you are looking for me, then let these men go.” 9 This happened so that the words he had spoken would be fulfilled: “I have not lost one of those you gave me.” [ a
Again no kiss is mentioned, the "cue" is from this same book of John, involving Judas who is then not required when jesus steps forward
For this to make some sense, jesus never referred to the father by YHWH, people who believe in the trinity say that its because they are both YHWH, maybe satan is also YHWH? maybe satan is YHWH bad side? According to the catholic encyclopaedia vol II 1907 explains that it was taught by the early church and is part of early theology that jesus was a ransom paid to the devil, not man. Then, there were two theologians Anselm of Canterbury (1033AD) and Peter Abelard(1079-1142AD), they explained how Jesus was not a ramson for satan but god had the death of his own son as blood sacrifice to appease Himself, the salvation story was re-written in the twelfth century inline with Anselm and Peter theology.
It's also interesting to know that the story of King of Tyre parallels with satan. Ez 28:12-19
12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. [ a ]
Your settings and mountings [ b ] were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’”How does when Jesus is preaching about unconditional love make any sense to the evil traits of YHWH?
John 14:10 - Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Sorry Jesus but I find that hard to believe, something is missing here, but earlier jesus said John 8:44 - You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
So our father can be the devil??
Why is this all so hard to reconcile? why is it that when people let the bible speak itself people draw different understandings and conclusions?
The bible did not fall from the sky and its not flawless, Constantine decided what went in the canon, but there were many books in circulation that didn't form part of the canon, according to history records this man was no saint and his decisions were politically motivated, if this was a puzzle we are missing many jigsaws, but I find it ironic that Jesus either if he is a real man, the messiah or just fictional created freedom from human dominance, the freedom that christians have today that the Moses tribe didn't, the orthodox church tried to inslave man but failed.
But one thing I am very certain of, If God wants to communicate with us He's doing a very poor job.
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God blamed satan?
by Joey Jo-Jo inex-15:3 the lord is a man of war: the lord is his name.
nasb.
ex-32:14 then the lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
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continuation.
We could say that their attrocities can be justified with such god, it doesnt matter how much blood was shed they can referred it to God's Holy will.
From all these scriptures I quoted, it reads like god has a good and a bad side, so who is satan?
Satan in aramaic means the adversary, at the time aramaic was being used ( 539 BCE – 70 CE ) satan appeared, in hebrew he has various definitions as the accuser or to obstruct oppose, very similar to aramaic, but traditionaly its traditionally translated as the accuser, or the adversary ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan)
Most Jewish scriptures mention that the portrayals of satan are entirely fabricated and they are contrary to all orginal Sumerian, Canaanite and Hebrew archives(Genesis of the Grail Kings page 99 Laurence Gardner).
So why did satan appear in the later scriptures? I posted some threads before about the inconsistencies of the bible, Jesus can not possibly be described the prophesiede Messiah of the old testament.
Could constantine be trying to make something of what god is not ?
When Jesus came to be Satan the devil was introduced as Jesus ramson that had to be paid to the devil, the old serpent referred to in revelations, but could this be completely fabricated I will never know. Could this old serpent be the serpent of Genesis? It does not say that it was a serpent at the time.
Thanks Judas!
Judas is the bad guy who caused Jesus to die, but what if Judas didnt do that? then we wouldn't have christianity.
Luk22:3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. - Satan blamed
Luk 22:37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’ [ a ] ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” - Apparently destiny only applies to Judas
Joh 13:27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”-satan blamed again
It seems like Jesus Judas and Satan were a team. In John's passage the devil actually worked to achieve their salvation.
In luke 22:3 Judas played a crucial role for Jesus to achieving sacrifice, Luke 22:37 is totally orchestrated, Judas actually receiving the cue from Jesus.
If the whole thing was prophesied and planned, for the salvation of mankind, then Judas was simply acting out a role, orchestrated for him by Jesus himself.
But wait theres more.
mat 26:49-50- Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him. 50 Jesus replied, “Do what you came for, friend.” [ a ] Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him
mark 14:44-46 44 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him and lead him away under guard.” 45 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Rabbi!” and kissed him. 46 The men seized Jesus and arrested him.
luke 22:47-48 While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, 48 but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?” -mmmm so there was no kiss?
to be continued
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Car Full of JW's while I'm at the Car Wash............
by Terry ini'm sort of angry right now.. no, not angry..... i'm shaky.
at least, when i lift my cup of coffee to my lips, sitting here at starbucks, my hand is trembly.. i hate that!.
the power they have to still reach me on some hidden point that hides in the corners of my very being.... .
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Terry im sure they can count time even when they are asleep. Everyone that visits me from my congregation comes during witnessing hrs and they hardly talk about the bible"hey are you doing? hows things? you comming to the meeting? No? have a great afternoon". One jw broke up with his girlfriend because she showed doubts, another time he told while witnessing he spoke to a guy that was a jw and left because of 1975 he told me smilling.
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I'm new here..... Studying with the Witnesses
by PenelopePaige inhi- i just wanted to say that i have been checking the website out for a few weeks and have read some horror stories and some sad ones.
but i have been studying with witnessess for about six months and can't help but feel that they're completely sincere and maybe even, the true religion.
i love the watchtower and awake and to me, none of that seems crazy.
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PenelopePaige:Yeah, I think maybe some Baptists give credence to demons but the church I was in never mentioned it and I never believed in them or even thought it was wrong to play with a Ouija board as a teenager. Someone should have warned me! Anyway, after we had our encounter, (which was very scary- basically we had an encounter with a "being of light") I asked my Baptist uncle about this and he just shrugged his shoulders, which really bothered me because I expected him to have some answers, something! And he just shook his head and shrugged his shoulders. So that bothered me. And when the JW's came along, they actually had some answers for me! Which made me think they understood much better.
Hi,
That is very common, for someone not to be satisfied with their religion to come into another, there are many situations like that. The country were I was born mainly consists of roman catholic dominance, my grandparents were not satisfied with their religion, someone told them that the jw bible is different to all others, she converted when a jw brought a lot of different bibles and shown her that they are all the same. Yet when I did my research I found the exact opposite.
JW's have an answer for everything and they say it with up most sincerity, they are not saying things which they dont really believe and are trying to trick, they are people that believe in the lie therefore the lie becomes the truth.
At a very young age I was living in a house filled with poltergeist, lights switch on and off, things move around by itself etc. My mum already a JW told me that the previous house owner invited satanic current, this is true the previous owner was a witch (most catholics there practice occultism, I recall at high school a group of students and the priest playing the ouja board), my aunty gave a book study to a demon possed man, occultis literature warn of the dangers of using the Goetica to summon demons, so yeah I believe you.
But does this mean what they say is true, some things they say can be true, I still dont believe in hellfire, but does that mean that they are completely right? There are other religions that warn about demons, there are other relgions that dont believe in hellfire or that jehovah is not God Jesus and the holy spirit.
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God blamed satan?
by Joey Jo-Jo inex-15:3 the lord is a man of war: the lord is his name.
nasb.
ex-32:14 then the lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
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Ex-15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. NASB
Ex-32:14 Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened. NIV
Then the Lord turned from the evil which He had thought to do to His people. AMP
Is-30:26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted. NIV
1 Sam 16:23 Whenever the spirit from God came on Saul, David would take up his lyre and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him. NIV
And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him. KJV
God promotes slaughter NIV
num 31:17-18 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
Deu 20:16-17 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy [ a ] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.
Josh 10:40-42 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded. 41 Joshua subdued them from Kadesh Barnea to Gaza and from the whole region of Goshen to Gibeon. 42 All these kings and their lands Joshua conquered in one campaign, because the LORD, the God of Israel, fought for Israel.
Eze 9:4-8 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” 5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple. 7 Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city. 8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, “Alas, Sovereign LORD! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?”
Jud 14:9 Then the Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon him. He went down to Ashkelon, struck (slew in KJV) down thirty of their men, stripped them of everything and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he returned to his father’s home.
1 Sam 18:10 The next day an evil [ a ] spirit from God came forcefully on Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the lyre, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand
So He isn't exactly the loving father, this explains him better.
Is45:6-7 6 so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
people may know there is none besides me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other.
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.NIVThat men may know from the east and the rising of the sun and from the west and the setting of the sun that there is no God besides Me. I am the Lord, and no one else [is He].
7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] [ a ] evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things.AMP
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.KJVSo who needs satan anyway?!
Satan in aramaic means the advsersary, does mark 8:33 make more sense if you switch satan with adversary?
But when satan came into the scene, that is when constantine decided to add satan, god later became the loving father, this adds layer of problems, you see with the YHWH religion prior to the introduction of satan, the chosen Hebrew people were a particular warlike race that needed a fierce and angry god to lead them.
I have more to write, I'll continue tomorrow.